Who Should Pay?
October 13, 2008 at 8:46 am | Posted in But Seriously | 3 CommentsThere was a rather interesting protest at Hong Lim Park on Saturday about the whole soured investments. The basic question is that should someone be responsible for the loss of investment? The government? The banks? The investors themselves?
I am inclined to say that the investors should bear responsibility for their actions. However there is some doubt as to whether or not they were told exactly what they were buying. In this case I think the banks should be brought to court. Since it is a contract term that indemnifies the banks, perhaps suing under the Unfair Contract Terms Act (UCTA) might be a recourse for investors. I know the UCTA amendments that remove the banks from the exemption list has yet to be Gazatted, but I think once it is, the UCTA should be the area of recourse for these investors. Perhaps trying under the tort of Negligence might be another area of recourse, but the courts tend to favour recovery through contracts if it is possible.
I do not think the government should guarantee any of their losses. Investments should not be guaranteed. Saving accounts, checking accounts and fixed deposits should be guaranteed to some extent, but not investments. Investing is like gambling (in my opinion it is a legalised and far more complex form of gambling). Also I do not think that MAS should step in to force the banks to pay back customers. I think the law should be allowed to play its role. This prevents the further expansion of the state.
I hope that the investors have learnt a lesson and won’t buy products they are unsure of or have no understanding about. I personally only invest in products I am clear about. I don’t know the intricate workings, but I have a rough idea on how they work. I also invest only the amount I can stomach. That does mean that a lot of my money is wasting away in a savings account, but that’s the money I think I will need and cannot part with. Every investment I have is money that I know I can afford to lose.
To a certain extent I think the investors also need to address their own complicity in the matter. No one really forced them to buy the products. They were lured by the idea of better pay offs over a traditional fixed deposit. That in my mind is greed. If this is my entire savings, I am not putting it in one place, and definetely not in a product I don’t understand at all. In fact all the money I think I will need is in savings, checking or fixed deposit accounts. Yeah I don’t earn much, but at least my “nest egg” is insured to a certain extent.
Still I think these people should be allowed to recover to some extent. Not letting them recover could also put stress on other areas of public spending, since some of them may now need to go on welfare. The form of recovery though should be through the law. Win or lose should be up to the courts. Also I think if enough cases a brought to court, the banks might try to settle out of court. Although I would like to point out that if the banks do start paying out, there will be a liquidity problem. Which means smaller companies will have a hard time getting loans. In the long run that could lead to higher prices for all sorts of things, including household neccesities.
If I were a lawyer and independently wealthy, I would volunteer to help these people try to recover their money in court. Why not? I think they should try to get some of it back, but I also think that the government should not pay them or force the banks to pay them. Also I think the condition for my helping them would be allowing me to constantly lecture them about their own complicity in this debacle.
Links from the rest of the blogosphere:
TOC’s coverage of Hong Lim Park Protest by investors
What about Financial Advisers?
DBS to pay? Or is it the government?
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You completely missed the point that investors have been cheated. The structured product was marketed to them as a higher paying fixed deposit account, but with a higher lock-in period.
The highest lock-in period for fixed deposit is 3 years, while the lock-in period of lehman mini-bonds, dbs high notes and jp morgan pinnacle notes is 5 years. Naturally, one would expect interest rate to increase if the lock-in period increases.
Structured products are not allowed to be sold to retail investors in the UK and USA. The nature of structured products work are typically too complex for old folks to understand. They weren´t even told what companies form the basket of securities for these products.
Interestingly, Singapore and HK authorities approved the sale of these products. At least HK learned its lessons and the HKMA did the right thing. There is something seriously wrong with what the authorities are doing.
Comment by Donaldson Tan— October 13, 2008 #
Mother had a fixed deposit with DBS which was the only thing my dad left behind for her.
Two years ago, nearing its maturity date, some DBS staff kept calling her to change it to some higher return FD. She is 65 and does not even read English.
They pestered her for a week and even offered to wait for her when she arrived at the branch.
Eventually, she made the switch.
I was studying overseas then or I would have prevented the tragedy.
It was not a big amount but her loss is beyond the monetary.
I think my mother was not greedy. She felt very “paiseh” for making things difficult for those who kept calling her so she obliged.
For those who intend to be financial managers in future, please spare a thought for others like her before cheating away their money.
Comment by anon— October 14, 2008 #
Perhaps the KTM can suggest a very simple thought experiment:
Suppose you run a chain of stores called Not-so-Best-Buy that sells electrical appliances. You sell all kinds of appliances from many different companies. There’s one particular brand (Brand X) that you carry that has a 100-year history and it hasn’t caused you any problems and people seem to like it. A customer comes and asks you which you would recommend and you do what the other stores also do – you peddle Brand X loh. The customer asks you, “will this thing short circuit and electrocute me?” You say, “no lah, dun be ridiculous, this brand never electrocuted anyone in the last 100 years”. Well guess what. The latest batch of vacuums apparently got a fault and 10,000 customers got electrocuted.
Now for the question: should the families of the victims sue you or Brand X? As it turns out, Brand X has just gone bankrupt.
If you dun like vacuums, you can replace with cars and you can become a car distributor. Faulty cars that kill people are quite common.
What’s the moral of the story?
Comment by Kway Teow Man— November 21, 2008 #